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Shalom Everyone!
The anticipated study on if Circle Dancing is scriptural and it's history is now completed! This is a MUST read! Whether you circle dance or not, check it out.
http://circledance.followersofyah.com/
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Hmmm was interested to read the Native American portion. Many Natives would be insulted by the content, not because it "reveals wickedness" but because it is soooo Generalized it insults many people's function and practice.
I am from the Choctaw/Chickasaw tribes, and if you don't know much about their form of Circle Dancing, as given down through the elders of the tribes, here's a headsup.
Choctaw/Chickasaw belief isn't like many of the other tribes which worship as polythiests, or worship rocks and trees, the Choctaw understood that there is One God, and that this being created all things in existance. They further understood that the first man, and the first woman, were formed of clay, and that this same Divine being "breathed life" into the Clay.
In our form of Circle dancing, nothing about the dance or anything in it is worshipped as you falsely said about "all" circle dancing peoples. (BTW you should specify WHICH tribes do these things!) In the circle dance there is sometimes fire, but also sometimes a drummer, and it all represents something revealed through nature.
The fire represents the passionate prayers of the people, and the smoke represents the aroma of these prayers ascending to the Divine Spirit. This isn't unfamiliar to Judeo-Christian belief either.
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41 And you shall offer the second lamb between the evenings; you shall do to it like the morning food offering and its drink offering, for a soothing fragrance, a fire offering to YHVH. |
While it is true that the Native people in general see life as a "circle" (which it is), the encirclement of the people dancing represents unified purpose and fellowship, basically conveying "we are one in our prayer to you". The ceremonies are primarily about praying, and not about dancing around in a loin cloth shaking a "rabbit's foot" as you insultingly implied Lol!
The Choctaw peoples' beliefs were so much alike to those of Christianity, that for the most part, all that was changed when the peoples were converted, was names (i.e. they now knew the name of the one they worshipped), clothing styles (they started wearing more modern clothing), and their understanding of things which they had been doing since the time of the tower of babel.
But I just found it sorta insulting how all the over 1009 sects of Native American culture (about 300 of those practice circle dancing) were erroneously portrayed in the article, and I'm sure others would see the generalizations and errors and feel the same. If you can, make note of who dances in these ways, for the Sioux dance different than their neighbors, and for different reasons. (in example)
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Shalom Shub,
Glad to see you posting here again.
I have some comments to your post above.
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But I just found it sorta insulting how all the over 1009 sects of Native American culture(about 300 of those practice circle dancing) were erroneously portrayed in the article, and I'm sure others would see the generalizations and errors and feel the same. If you can, make note of who dances in these ways, for the Sioux dance different than their neighbors, and for different reasons. (in example)
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L. McGuire (author of Universal Circle Dance) wrote:
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"many Native Indians hold the circle as a sacred object."
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L. McGuire does not say ALL Native Americans.
You, taking this out of context have said L. McGuire is refering to ALL Native Americans; which isn't true. L. McGuire is refering to ONLY the Native Americans who perform Pow-Wows. Read the 1st couple of paragraphs and you will figure that out.
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the Choctaw understood that there is One God, and that this being created all things in existance. They further understood that the first man, and the first woman, were formed of clay, and that this same Divine being "breathed life" into the Clay. "
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Again taken from "The Universal Circle Dance" L. McGuire wrote:
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Wovoka, adopt worldly influences, he also mixed religious beliefs. This is dangerous. A little leaven ruins the whole. We can not mix truth with errors! He and his wife agreed with parts of Christianity. Wovoka, just like Christians, believed in One Great deity, but he believed this one great deity to be the sun. |
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The Choctaws believed in a good spirit and an evil spirit, and they may have been sun, or Hushtahli, worshippers. Swanton writes, "the Choctaws anciently regarded the sun as a deity |
Sounds like your circle dance is the same as Wovoka's.
What else do you think circle dancing is, definitely not recreational. It is for worshiping, prayer, ect. This can also be found in the article.
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"During a Pow-wow dance, many believe the creator, the 'Great Spirit', to be Gisoolg. They give their praises to a counterfeit, Gisloolg and not to Yahuah. They also worship Mother Earth"
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The ceremonies are primarily about praying, and not about dancing around in a loin cloth shaking a "rabbit's foot" as you insultingly implied Lol! |
What?!?  The author clearly states this how they worship. You are the one insulting.
L. McGuire never said that Native Americans dance in loin clothes shaking rabbits feet. I was really confused here, I reread The Univesal Circle Dance and found your accusations nowhere. Please quote where this can be found.
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First of all, a little context about my experience with Choctaw dance and religious function.
My Great Grandfather, Jacob Norris Carney was a tribal Shaman (this word is seen as disguisting to the people it describes, but is used because of lack of a better word) who upheld the traditions of the people, and taught the ways to them as was his duty as the Tribal Shaman. As a direct descendant of this line as it has been through the Generations, I eventually was taught the ways by my grandfather, the son of my great grandfather. What you see in wikipedia is usually white men speculation (the ones who take off their shirts, sit down and smoke some weed at a pow wow pretending to be Native Americans  ), or exterior tribesmen who have no idea about the purpose or function of sacred traditions. What I know of the traditions, is taught to other young men in their own line of "men of reverence" (Shaman). What you see in wikipedia is User Submitted and often untruth.
Concerning the things in the article...
First addressing your questions...
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The ceremonies are primarily about praying, and not about dancing around in a loin cloth shaking a "rabbit's foot" as you insultingly implied Lol! |
What?!? The author clearly states this how they worship. You are the one insulting.
L. McGuire never said that Native Americans dance in loin clothes shaking rabbits feet. I was really confused here, I reread The Univesal Circle Dance and found your accusations nowhere. Please quote where this can be found. |
| Quote: | | There are rules one must abide by when attending a Pow-wow! The following is a list of some of these rules (11) (emphasis added by me, my thoughts are in parathesis) |
Which author stated this?! Rules for WHICH tribe? For WHICH dances?! You do not specify, so this is a general statement which basically says "for any Pow Wow you attend, of any tribe, of any function, THESE are some of the rules you have to obey". This leads to the rabbit foot statement.
| Quote: | | 6. The dancers wear regalia while they are dancing, not "costumes.” People should not touch the regalia before asking for permission. (Some websites say the regalia holds special religious meaning to the wearer. Hmmm...like a rabits tail?) |
The general idea someone wrongly gets when thinking of a dance, is a bunch of natives dancing around in loin cloths with animal furs and buffalo heads as masks. It is NOT the first time I have heard such a steriotypical statement. Do you know that of the majority of dancing tribes, dances are mostly performed in average clothing?! Yet you state: "The dancers wear regalia while they are dancing", and this is false. Whether you stated the rabbit's foot comment purposely or not, many, many natives are familiar with such a racist remark. I know you might not see it as one, but the majority of others would as this is often said by those outside of the native american tradition. In my own family (on my white side) my uncle often jokingly says things like...
"Mmmm me dancing chief, me dance in cat fur, shake rabbit testicles, bring up spirit of Jimmy Hoffa." (testicles replaces a vulgar word)
You probably wouldn't be sensitive to this if you were not raised in a native american community/setting. Even my cousins (who have seen the article, cause I showed them) were shocked this came from a Messianic site of all places.
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But I just found it sorta insulting how all the over 1009 sects of Native American culture(about 300 of those practice circle dancing) were erroneously portrayed in the article, and I'm sure others would see the generalizations and errors and feel the same. If you can, make note of who dances in these ways, for the Sioux dance different than their neighbors, and for different reasons. (in example) |
L. McGuire (author of Universal Circle Dance) wrote:
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| Quote: | | "many Native Indians hold the circle as a sacred object." |
L. McGuire does not say ALL Native Americans.
You, taking this out of context have said L. McGuire is refering to ALL Native Americans; which isn't true. L. McGuire is refering to ONLY the Native Americans who perform Pow-Wows. Read the 1st couple of paragraphs and you will figure that out. |
Wait, didn't I say Choctaws perform the dances? And why is L. McGuire's writings the final say so on all things Native? Have you read any other books? Done any article diving? Or did you just pick up the book and assume it was the ultimate and final authority on all things Native?
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| Quote: | | "But I just found it sorta insulting how all the over 1009 sects of Native American culture(about 300 of those practice circle dancing) were erroneously portrayed in the article" |
...Is NOT about the book, but about the article itself, which in many, many, places, DOES NOT inform the reader that it is NOT speaking about the Dances/Dance Functions as a whole. Therefore the reader is left to assume you are speaking of ALL the dancers. Such examples include:
| Quote: | | So, it would be safe to say that at one time, the Pow-Wow dance was actually, 'A Shaman Dance'. |
Without specifying, this states that ALL pow-wow dancing has "Shaman Dance" origin. This is false. In my own two tribes (Choctaw/Chickasaw) it is taught among the sons that the dances originated with the first two people. These two people upon becoming living beings, danced before the Great One in joy and thankfulness. As each child came into being, they performed another dance of joy and thankfulness to the same Great One. As people died, the dance was danced as well, and so the "Circle" takes it's shape. This is called the "life dance" which is one of the dances. The circle represents the continuation of things, and the process of life in which a child comes from the earth, grows old, and returns to the earth. It's a circle that cannot be changed, as it was set forth by the creator Himself. Shaman did NOT start this dance, nor do they "oversee it", as each member of the people is present and dances the dance if they are physically able. To refuse to do so, is seen as an insult for it is like saying "I don't care about your joy over a child being born, nor do I care that one of the close family members has died."
| Quote: | What is a shaman? A shaman, can be a male or female. Some call them a spirit traveler or what we would call a witch-doctor, medicine-man, or a wizard (to name just a few). Many believe shamans are able to control the weather and speak to the dead,(as a medium, charmer or a channeler).
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You might want to specify which tribes believe this about their "men of reverence" (Shamen), for some tribes would say you're full of it. In some tribal cultures, the Shamen are the councilors of the Chief, as well as his personal physicians and close friends, with no "divination" involved at all. The term for Shaman in my own language denotes "friend" not "wizard" or "Channeler".
| Quote: | | Pow-wows are danced in a circle. |
Um, do you know about the many Keboa which are danced two at a time, or single dances? Circle dances are the minority of dances btw, not the majority. And many pow-wows don't have dances. Who told you "pow-wow" means dancing?
| Quote: | | The religious Indian festivals was in honor of many things. For instance, the four seasons, for hunting and harvest time. Regardless of the time of year, most feasts, pretty much consisted of a fast and lasted several days. They would chant songs and performed magic dances. At the end of the feast they would have an orgy. |
First of all, didn't specify which Nations do this, but make a General statement. THEN you say orgies happen at the end of these feasts. This is only true for a VERY small minority of tribes with no family focused tribal view. To the Choctaw/Chickasaw peoples, orgies were considered extremely shameful! (To the Cheyenne and Choctaw for example, a man was only allowed one wife, and to have sex with any other woman but that wife was grounds for a severe beating ordered through the Elders.)
Meh, there's more but this is already long enough. I think you get the idea. You need to specify more, WHO does this, and not Generalize so much as it insults those tribes who do not associate with the tribes who practice such things.
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Shub,
Just to straighten things out, I did not write this article, L. McGuire did. Please discontinue saying I wrote it.
I am not here to debate with you, and neither is anyone else. Although, I will correct you on your mistakes.
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...Is NOT about the book, but about the article itself, which in many, many, places, DOES NOT inform the reader that it is NOT speaking about the Dances/Dance Functions as a whole. Therefore the reader is left to assume you are speaking of ALL the dancers. |
Do you notice one thing when you read this article? Do you see the numbers in parenthesis next to parts of the article? These tell you the source. Go to the page resources you will find it's number with the website of the section it is next to.
The author quotes the web-site where the list of rules come from. Seems to me the author is just making a comparision which is not saying as you quote, dancing around with loin clothes shaking rabbits feet. just because you are assuming well your said,
| Quote: | | The general idea someone wrongly gets when thinking of a dance, is a bunch of natives dancing around in loin cloths with animal furs and buffalo heads as masks. It is NOT the first time I have heard such a steriotypical statement. Do you know that of the majority of dancing tribes, dances are mostly performed in average clothing?! |
That may be your general ideal, but to say that is the authors general ideal you are wrong. You have slandered the author. |
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| Quote: | | That may be your general ideal, but to say that is the authors general ideal you are wrong. You have slandered the author. |
That isn't what slander is. You didn't quote the rest of what I said in that paragraph:
| Quote: | | Whether you stated the rabbit's foot comment purposely or not, many, many natives are familiar with such a racist remark. I know you might not see it as one, but the majority of others would as this is often said by those outside of the native american tradition. |
While I admit I was mistaken to assume the site the article was posted on, was the original author of the article (i.e. you), I did say that the author may or may not have done it on purpose. But that does not excuse it from being considered a racist remark by the Native American peoples, whether intentional or not.
As to: "The general idea someone wrongly gets when thinking of a dance, is a bunch of natives dancing around in loin cloths with animal furs and buffalo heads as masks."
This is a general statement about anyone, both author and reader alike. Ask around, ask your friends what they think happens at a pow-wow. You'll get explanations like how I said they wrongly view it.
I didn't post my comments for debate, I posted them because I was asked to give input: "Post your comments in this thread." I gave my input from the viewpoint of a half blood Native American, descended from full blood Native Americans, of which four Generations are still living today, each instructed in Native American culture and practice. THIS is how a native who was brought up instructed in "the ways" would most likely react! I'm not trying to be oppositional or insult anyone, JUST expressing my concern over material in the article that is offencive and untrue to Native Peoples who are intimately familiar with the content spoken of in the article.
Guess I know better than to reply to requests for comments concerning articles on that site 
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| Quote: | | While I admit I was mistaken to assume the site the article was posted on, was the original author of the article (i.e. you), I did say that the author may or may not have done it on purpose. But that does not excuse it from being considered a racist remark by the Native American peoples, whether intentional or not. |
I must have been mistaken while reading your post on that part. I apologize.
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Shub,
The author for "The Universal Circle Dance" includes the sources where they got the information. If you go to the last page of the article it has the sources (websites/books). So the reader can figure out which Native American Tribe is being spoken about.
Hope that helps.
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| Quote: | Guess I know better than to reply to requests for comments concerning articles on that site
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Hey,
| Quote: | | The author for "The Universal Circle Dance" includes the sources where they got the information. If you go to the last page of the article it has the sources (websites/books). So the reader can figure out which Native American Tribe is being spoken about. |
Yeah I saw the references page. I'm just trying to convey something that I've learned through Psychology and Statistics in college, and experience with people discussing topics in readily available channels of information. Which is, "people usually assume the cover of the book, tells you everything the book has to say".
There are two main groups of people I see when it all boils down to the nitty gritty.
There's the first kind, who browse around the net and don't put much thought into what they're reading or considering. This group would be the likely ones who read the article, and assume it speaks of all Native American dances, because they don't have the time, the intellect, or the will of effort to go to the sources page.
Then there's the second kind. The type that will take the time and effort to look up the sources and read and study for themselves what the author presents in the article. These are the people who have the will of effort to sit down and read 4 pages of info on a topic, and not walk away with a "shrug" and a "eh that's too much to read".
Sadly, the odds are 1/4 (and greater). Meaning, for every 4 people in the first group, there is only 1 person in the second group. And that's how things start to drift downhill. Look at modern Christianity. Most of the people in it are from the first group. The true believers, are in the second.
My issue is not with the majority of the content (in which it identifies certain things truthfully) but that the manner in which the author writes, can easily be misconstrued in the way I have described.
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Yeah, I understand what You are saying. I personally think it is the reader's fault if they choose not to read the whole article, which includes the sources.
I think the people who want to learn the truth and 'study to show themselves approved' will read the whole article.
When I disagree with something, I like to know as much about it as I can, which includes learning about both sides. If someone asks me, why don't you celebrate Christmas, Easter, ect, I want to be able explain to them as much as I can to help them understand why they shouldn't celebrate those holidays.
However, we have Messianic Believers (on this forum) who circle dance and all they can say about it is "'David Danced that way", "Miriam Danced that way' so we can too."
Their problem is, they have only listened to what others told them. They did not personally studied the issue theirselves. Their parents may have told them it's ok to dance in a circle but lets look at the fact that they also may have believed their parents when they told them "Santa's Watching You" Or "The Easter Bunny knows if you've been bad"
Many people will not sit and do the researching on things. If their preacher, rabbi, parent tells them it's ok they just listen to them. We were not told to "Study to Show ourselves approved" for nothing
If anyone can prove to L. McGuire and myself that David danced the mayim or yeminite (sp) dance step please post the scripture verse.
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Just a question. What if a community unrelated to Pagan practice danced in a circle pattern? Circle dancing is a world wide phenomenon, as such being familiar possibly since before the dispersion of Babel.
Do the articles condemn them?
For instance, I want to dance with my family, and we see dancing in a circle as a good way to stay connected in the dance. Dancing this way, we do not do so because of Pagan tradition, but because we like dancing in a circle.
Do the articles condemn this? Should we all start dancing in squares?!
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| Quote: | | Just a question. What if a community unrelated to Pagan practice danced in a circle pattern? Circle dancing is a world wide phenomenon, as such being familiar possibly since before the dispersion of Babel. |
It seems like the community unrelated to pagan practice would be just like the christians who say Jesus. They aren't meaning to call upon Zeus, they think they are calling upon The Messiah. They are deceived and do not realize they are deceived until they come out of being decieved.
Just like when you are sleeping, you don't realize it until you wake up.
L. McGuire does not condem the people who circle dance. YHWH does not hold us acocuntable if we are undefiantly sinning, "worshipping like the pagans do". However, if we are aware of our sins, if we know it is pagan to circle dance and we do anyway, we are defiantly sinning, YHWH is holding us accountable for that sin.
For Example- If I was to celebrate christmas with my dad's family I would defiantly (purpously) sinning.
Can you kind of get what I'm saying?
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The Father has commanded us to be a separate people unto Himself. I think He wants us to come out of Babylon, the world's system of worshipping others. Yahushuah has also commanded us to be set-apart. "Be set-apart as I am set apart."
If everyone who says that they are the people of Elohim, then they should be expressing their gratitude and appreciation to Followers of Yah Ministry for the fantastic work that has been done on this lesson as well as several others. I personally thank this ministry for their obedience to YAH, in helping us to become set-apart to Him, in receiving the knowledge that they are sharing!
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The Father has commanded us to be a separate people unto Himself. I think He wants us to come out of Babylon, the world's system of worshipping others. Yahushuah has also commanded us to be set-apart. "Be set-apart as I am set apart."
If everyone who says that they are the people of Elohim, then they should be expressing their gratitude and appreciation to Followers of Yah Ministry for the fantastic work that has been done on this lesson as well as several others. I personally thank this ministry for their obedience to YAH, in helping us to become set-apart to Him, in receiving the knowledge that they are sharing!
Shalom and Hallelu-Yah for your works! |
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Shalom Ruth!
Thanks for posting on here.
What part of the article do you like the best?
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Something helpful to keep in mind is that many of the things the Creator told us to do in worship of Him (circumcision, sacrifices, lunar-based festivals, holy arks, washings/baptism, the number seven, etc., etc., etc.) and things related to the Messiah (virgin birth, son of a god or the chief god, resurrected, self-sacrificing savior, etc.) were present and taught in pagan cultures before the Almighty called Abraham out of Mesopotamia. Do we throw out everything with a pagan precedent? We'd have Scriptures with more holes than Jefferson's Bible.
Are circles demonic? If so, Israel would be guilty of mixing pagan practices with true worship for marching around Jericho, and the priests would have been guilty for walking around the altar. Pagans' marveling at the beauty of the Creator's handiwork -- seasons, life, celestial motion, planets, the sun, the moon -- doesn't make that handiwork pagan. We worship the true Creator and His Messiah.
Are there folks who turn worship dance and music into a mind-emptying or exstatic experience? Sure. There also are people who have empty (or worse!) minds as they vervently mouth the words to hymns while standing still. |
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What are your thoughts on belly dancing.
Not cabaret type, but traditional tribal dance done throughout the middle east.
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Hi Felicia,
I agree, the whole thing is to be taken as a whole. What are the roots, where does it lead? Looking at the forest, not the trees. Although the trees are certainly there.
My only possible suggestion would be format, would be great to have this in PDF form. |
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| What should we do if whre we worship Yahushua they do circle dancing? Is there a body of true believers that does not? All the Messianic mishkans do this. I am so shocked. It is labeld as Davidic Dance. Should we forsake the fellowship... |
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| rainkatt wrote: | What are your thoughts on belly dancing.
Not cabaret type, but traditional tribal dance done throughout the middle east.
Shalom,
Rainkatt |
The scriptures do nto forbid belly dancing but you need to think of what belly dancing can promote. It causes lust, it isn't modest. It most definitely does not go with a women dressing in modest aparel and not adorning herself with costly array, gold, silver, ect.
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What is a spirit by any other name?
I’m excited in that already I feel compelled to share my perspectives at this forum.
“OH” when I think to myself of all the “fuzzy- wuzzy” “feel good” spiritual enticements of the demonic host of our enemy. That old saying, “if it feels good do it” certainly leads to evil if it refers to things of the spirit. The same also applies to enticements of hidden knowledge and powers of the spiritual realm. I realize that I’m in a forum where that is for the most part common knowledge so forgive me, I don’t intend to seem aloof.
Snares of the spirit abound, a wide variety of flavors for the particular taste of every soul. Demonically influenced peoples have been reinventing and reintroducing the ancient forms of many spiritual pit falls. Another particular pitfall that is very similar to the circle dance is the walking of labyrinths. This too is reborn from the ancient of days as is indicated by archeology and the remains of these circular labyrinths all over the world.
The words of Yahushua, “as in the days of Noah” come to mind as I see these reinvented practices becoming ever so popular.
There is a Labyrinth near me that was advertised in the papers about 10 years ago. It is at a Catholic retreat called “The Sisters of Bon Secour”. They were inviting people to walk the labyrinth on their fall festival during the fall equinox.
Having studied the practices and tactics of my enemy I decided to venture to the labyrinth and inspect their works. The labyrinth was situated at the crest of the highest hill at the compound consisting of three buildings. The labyrinth was also circled by a grove of towering old oaks.
So as to conclude this posting I will describe the labyrinths function and appearance. It’s appearance is as I stated, circular. It is laid out on the ground like a disc and by the use of different colored stones a maze is defined and the participants walk the maze working their way to the center. As they walk their way to the center they are to meditate and some chant. When they reach the center participants describe a profound spiritual FORCE overcome them.
B.T.W.
Coincidentally I am part Choctaw as is Shub. My ancestors of that lineage resided along the Tangipahoa river in Louisiana. I believe I’ll PM Shub to inquire of any connections. |
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Hi there Victor
I found this most interesting - thanks for pointing that out.
Here is some more information on the subject
The simularity of the circle dance shouldn't be supprising since the world was dispearsed from the Tower of Babel.
The dispearsed peoples would have carried it into the utter most regions of the earth.
see the link below
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1189.cfm
...."ANCIENT SATANISM/PAGANISM BEING MAINSTREAMED IN TODAY'S "CHURCHES""...
...."We should not be surprised at this proof of Paganism in this modern labyrinth, because the New Age Movement is simply a revival of the old Satanic Babylonian and Egyptian Mysteries religions, which common elements of Buddhism and Hinduism thrown in for good measure".....
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41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
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