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Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

Is it Scripture, for a man to wear any sort of covering over his head during prayer or while he is pophesying? How about a women, should she keep her head covered while she is in prayer or while prophesying? Lets see what the Scriptures tells us...

1 Corintinans 11

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Messiah is Elohim.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of Elohim: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the messengers (angels).
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Verse 4- "Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head."
~praying: 4336.to offer prayers, to pray
~prophesying: 4395. to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict. under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others
~covered: 2619. to cover up. to veil or cover one's self
~dishonoureth: 2617. to dishonour, disgrace. to put to shame, make ashamed. to be ashamed, blush with shame. one is said to be put to shame who suffers a repulse, or whom some hope has deceived.

Verse 5-"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven."
~prayeth: 4336. to offer prayers, to pray.
~prophesieth: 4395. to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict. under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others.
~uncovered: 177. not covered, unveiled
~dishonoureth: 2617. to dishonour, disgrace. to put to shame, make ashamed. to be ashamed, blush with shame. one is said to be put to shame who suffers a repulse, or whom some hope has deceived
~shaven: 3587. to shear, shave. to get one's self shaved.

Verse 6-"For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered."
~covered: 2619. to cover up. to veil or cover one's self.
~ shorn: 2751. to sheer: a sheep. to get or let be shorn. of shearing or cutting short the hair of the head.
~ shame: 149. shame, base, dishonourable.
~ shorn: 2751. to sheer: a sheep. to get or let be shorn. of shearing or cutting short the hair of the head
~shaven: 3587. to shear, shave. to get one's self shaved
~covered: 2619. to cover up. to veil or cover one's self [/i]

Verse 7-"For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of Elohim: but the woman is the glory of the man."
~cover: 2619. to cover up. to veil or cover one's self

Verse 10-"For this cause(of the women wearing a headcovering) ought the woman to have power on her head because of the messengers (angels)."
~power: 1849. power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases
leave or permission
physical and mental power
the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises
the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)
the power of rule or government (the power of him whose will and commands must be submitted to by others and obeyed).

power authority, i.e. the sign of the husband's authority.

Messengers (angels) i.e. of the presence of the angels.
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A headcovering was usually worn by women in the Scriptures-

Genesis 24:65
"For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself".

Why did she cover herself? For more than one reason are we (women) to cover our heads.
-For Modesty in front of a man that we do not know, Men that we do not know are considered as strange men to us.
-For subjection (or submission). 1 Corinthians 11:3,6,7,10
-For Concealment
*Genesis 38:14 [i]"And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a veil, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife."

The removing of a women's headcovering was considered to be rude and insolent.
Solomon 5:7 "The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me".

Removing of a women's headcovering was a threaten as a punishment to ungodly women.
Isaiah 3:16-23 "Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,The rings, and nose jewels,The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils."

Numbers 5:18"And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: "

Dorito15 · Very active user

If you go back to the Hebrew scriptures,You will find taht in Corinthians where it is saying that it is a shame for a man to pray with his head covered That it is actually speaking about long hair. When Yahweh gave commandments for what the preist are to wear,they are told to cover tehir heads ( Don't remember teh word it used for teh covering in this incident) But we have studied the subject of teh mans headcovering and have learned taht it is ok for them to wear it ( A cap,and etc.) Some people think that in these scriptures in 1st Corinthians that it is saying that a woman's covering is her hair when actually,as you and I have learned it is really speaking of a Head covering ( Teh veil). Again, when it is speaking of teh man praying with his head covered,it is actually speaking of long hair. It is a sin for man to have long hair.

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

but, why would a covering for a man be considered hair, when it isn't condidered as hair for a women... and if you continue reading Corinthians 11, it talks about a man not aloud to have long hair. Why would it talk about hair symbolically in one verse and then a couple later talking about hair physically.

It talks about a women needing to keep her hair long, and a man not to keep his hair long, that was how they knew man from women in bible days. I think that if it was talking about a man not having long hair in a spiritually way then it would also do the same for a women.. right?

Yahushua_Saves

Shalom Felicia,

What an interesting study. I hope you don't mind but I like to post more than just ONE or Two verses. It is so easy to pick and choose verses here and there then make a doctrine out of it but if we look at the whole subject matter then most time false doctrine will be exposed for what it is.

So with that said, the following is from 1st Cor. chapter 11:

1. "Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Messiah. "

2 "Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you."

3" But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Mashiach; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Mashiach is Elohim. "

4 "Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head."

5."But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. "

6. " For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. "

7 ."For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of Elohim: but the woman is the glory of the man. "

8 ."For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man."

9 ."Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."

10." For this cause ought the woman to have power (symbol) on her head because of the messengers "

*****This verse number 10 clearly tells us that we are talking about a symbol on the womens head and a symbol not being on the mans head, verse 7. " ."For a man indeed ought not to cover his head"

So when does this chapter start talking about men with long hair? Verse 14, when Shaul is making a comparision with nature which tells us that natural a man should NOT have long hair unlike in verse 4 when the man is told NOT to cover is head! Big difference.

11.' Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Master."

12." For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of Elohim.

13." Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto Elohim uncovered?"

Here again, the subject being discussed is the covering of the head, a symbol not hair.

.14" Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15 "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering."

Plane_Crazy_4_YHWH · Daily Poster

Yes, that is very good! I agree! Like you said, its easy to make a doctrine out of one verse. Right now, Im studying on a few things that I have wondered about for a while and just went by what my parents said. But the scriptures say to study for yourself, not to just listen to others. As I have been studying, one verse seems to say one thing and then the next say the oposite. So, I go all the way back to the beginning of the chapter and then it makes sence.

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

BTW: Yahushua_Saves, like you user name!

Thank you for posting the rest of the verses, I do agree with you on how it is good to look at the whole chapter of a subject instead a couple verses. Especially on this subject.

*I take it that you feel women should wear a headcovering?

*Do you believe women should wear a headcovering while they are out in public as well? Or just when they are praying or prophesying? (I do for both)

*And also... I take it that you are against men wearing any kind of covering over their head when they pray?

Plane_Crazy_4_YHWH · Daily Poster

hmmm... well it seems to me that the hair is the woman's covering... idk, I dont think that it would be wrong if a man wears a "headcovering".

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

Dorito15 · Very active user

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

Lew White also has something on his website about headcoverings... I can post it up here if anyone would like?

Dorito15 · Very active user

Lew whites the one who write Fozzilized customs... right?

Plane_Crazy_4_YHWH · Daily Poster

right. yes Fe, please do! and no I don't think i believe that the hair is the covering... at least not now. I wasn't sure before and im still not sure, but I am leaning toward the covering being a veil and it is a shame for a man to wear a "veil". Like I said, Im still not sure though. But yes Fe, please do post Lew White's study about that on here and on mine too if you can. Thank you!

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

Well, kj about last night, sorry that i didn't let you know i was gonna not be able to talk, i had no idea my mom was gonna talk to me that long... so i had no chance to say bye... and to skeet to, sorry guys!

And yeah sure I can post the study Lew White has, my mom said he had it on his website, I'll ask her to find it for me. : )

I didn't know you had a study on it too kj? you never told me that.... idk

Plane_Crazy_4_YHWH · Daily Poster

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

oh ok, sorry, i thought you were saying you had a study... carzy

silly me!

Plane_Crazy_4_YHWH · Daily Poster

lol... thats ok

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

I posted the final study on this.. it is the very first post....

Plane_Crazy_4_YHWH · Daily Poster

Yes, I believe that when it is talking about a covering it means a veil. When I pray, now, I cover my head with my talit (sp?) but not my whole face like a veil. Kelly and Mom cover their whole head, not just their hair.

Also, I Cor. 11 keeps on saying "while you are praying or prophecying". I don't see anything wrong with wearing a headcovering all the time, but the scriptures doesn't say all the time. I know the scriptures say to pray without ceasing, and so that would mean that the womans head would need to be covered all the time. But really, I think when it says to pray without ceasing, it means to be in an attitude of prayer. Also, if I am right about the headcovering being a veil, then would you need to wear a veil all day long because of praying without ceasing?

Just a few thoughts. I am still learning and am open for more info.

Dorito15 · Very active user

What do you mean they cover their whole head. You mean their face too? or.... what?

Plane_Crazy_4_YHWH · Daily Poster

well if you thikn about it, your head is from your neck (chin actually) up right? so that would include your face I think. besides, a veil (think of the bride in a wedding) would cover the whole face. So during prayer (besides their silent prayer) Kelly and Mom always wear something that totally covers their head. Face included.

Dorito15 · Very active user

oh,ok

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

that is a good point..... that would be an interesting study...

Mincy · Daily Poster

I'v alwase wondered about the hedcoverings I have done some study but can't make up my mind about it. What kind of head covering do you were?

Servant-of-Yah · Set-Apart One of Yah's True Ways

I wear one that is like 3 or 4 times the size of a bandana... it covers my whole head.. but not my face.. I can put a picture of me with my head covering on if you like?

Mincy · Daily Poster

OK I that would be nice.